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When you look at producers you have to look at the fundamentals but also you have to look at the commodity. He is not convinced that gold is going to go up a lot over the little while. He doesn't see a gold rush anytime soon. That would be a challenge for any producer. One of the theories is that gold is a hedge against falling stock markets. But there is no evidence of a negative correlation. It is not proven that if there is a crisis people go to gold.