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They reported earnings that were disappointing. They moved into wanting to create a wireless footprint and sold their wire line business. They are actually losing revenue per user. He owned this until 6 months ago when he moved away from the more defensive companies. He does not recommend waiting for it to recover. It has always been known as a high dividend payer, but if they purchase very large properties then the dividend could be at risk down the road.
AT&T (T-N) or Verizon (VZ-N)? Chart shows that AT&T has outperformed by about 10%. Within the sector, there is lots of news. One way to try and resolve this is to start a position in iShares Trust Dow Jones U.S. Telecom Sector Fund (IYZ-N), and you are probably going to see procyclical names again. The sector lagged a little, and as we get past the middle of the year this area should probably pick up.
Sold his holdings about 2 or 3 weeks ago, because of interest rates being on the rise and the yield curve steepening. That is generally not good for telcos, as it lessens the impact of the dividend. They also tend to carry a large amount of debt on their balance sheet, which is not a great thing in a rising interest rate environment.
The stock has sold off hard, on the back of rising interest rates hurting yield oriented assets. With the potential acquisition of Yahoo, it is creating a pipe of being wireless. They have the files on the cable side and the broadband, and with the potential content through Yahoo, they are creating that end-to-end experience for consumers. Big dividend.
Valuations have come down for the whole telecom group. Dividend is safe. A lot of the recent downturn has been relative to the interest rate. The acquisitions and the debt that has gone on in the last couple of years has been massive. He is warming up a little more to Canadian telcos, which he feels has a little more growth potential.